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아래는 조엘 오스틴 설교동영상에 달린 두사람의 논쟁을 컷/페이스트해서 올린겁니다.
(쏘스: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIRSYBMeW-0 )이 설교 자체는 아주 훌륭하고, 아주 중요한 설교입니다. 그러나 조엘 오스틴이 많은 비판을 받기도 하지요. 왜그럴까요? 번영신학이라서 그럴까요?
당신의 아래 두사람중 어느 쪽에 가까우세요?-
1 day ago My point is that the New Testament does not teach your best
life now, it teaches the opposite, unless one is living an ungodly life,
please notice it does not say maybe..
I understand where your coming from I really do, there is a
sense of pride and selfrigheousness in being a martyr for christ. Its a
way to explain the hardships of life without having to look at our own
conduct. But really its an insult to God and his word to live a life
defeated and full of misery believing its just our lot in life as
christians to be persecuted and mistreated.-
Really tell me why you think that? God did not make us JUST
to suffer, he made us so that we might have a life that pleases him.
Part of pleasing him is having faith that he will meet our needs. what a
horrible way to live, always on your own, not being able to ask God for
help, believeing that God doesnt want good things for us, believing in a
cold hearted fire and brim stone God, yeah i know how it is. For to
long i believed like you, but my life has changed once i realized how
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LOL he was given the ultimate table before his enemies when
he died he went to be with the lord! What makes me exempt from being
persecuted? nopthing at all, i get persecuted all the time, mostly by
other so called christians. What do you think your doing? -
Make up your mind, either your best life is now or future, if your best life is now it cannot also be future.
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What happened to Isaiah’s table before his enemies while he
was put in a tree trunk and sawed in half?? What makes you exempt?? Open
your eyes, there are thousands of Christians being tortured now in
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WhEEEEEEEEEhEEEEL then, hopefully in the next life the
frequency will intensify a thousand times for you, so that you may
intensly enjoy being beaten ove and over again, and you will just laugh,
right. LOL
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True, but that is in the midst of persecution and does not
guarantee that your life will be spared. If you consider being shot or
cut in half and or hated by the world to be you’re best life now then
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So i am guesing you get shot and cut in half all the time
then huh? The world might hate you but thats not what i focus on , i
focus on Gods goodness and his promises in my life, sure everyone goes
through persecution but i keep my peace throughout it and i know God
will vindicate me, for he says,”i will prepare for you a table in the
presence of you enemies” -
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LOL in the natural i could see why you would think that, but
thats very rare and besides dying and going to be with the Lord is the
Greatest victory! This is our best life now!, if you choose to believe
that your supposed to be miserable and unsuccessful then thats whats
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Do you think Jesus His disciples and Prophets were miserable
while they were slaughtered, whipped, burned at the stake, thrown to
lions etc, it’s NOT our best life now, that’s a lie, those who will
godly in Christ Jesus SHALL suffer persecution, if you’re not turning
the world upside- down your living an ungodly life. It is happening now
and will happen again, the Lord Lord religious types will, and do think
they are doing God a service by persecuting and killing born again
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Do i think they were miserable? no actually i dont think they
were, i think they were so filled with the spirit that they were at
peace knowing that when they die they will be with the lord. Misery is a
choice, we all suffer however we as christians are supposed to suffere
FOR christ. Not that any worse things will happen to us or in higher
frequency but rather we glorify God in everything especially suffering.
That was there best life! -
Luke 6:38
– Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and
shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For
with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you
again.Philippians 4:19 - But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.
Its not prosperity Gospel, its the true Gospel. There is more to life then being a martyr
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I really don’t understand why anyone would want to think we
serve a God who doesn’t desire to give us favor in life. Joel is a true
prophet and a man of God. The only reason people don’t like him is
because they life the idea of being a martyr
Philippians 4:19 – But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.
Luke 6:38
– Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down,
and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom.
For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to
you again.It is our best life now! God is our provider
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2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecut